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My Right To Stay Alive?

November 7th 2007 14:52
A popular argument you here by advocates of such things as water boarding or the patriot act claim that people have a right to stay alive, and say it in such a manner as to imply it's more important than civil liberties.

Might we remember how our freedoms were founded and defended?

The coward will want to lose civil liberties for the 0.000001% extra chance he will have to stay alive. True bravery is dying free.



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Comment by Damo

November 7th 2007 20:52
Waterboarding is specifically itedentified as torture by UNHCR and it signatories.
Those found guilty can be tried as war criminals.

Sadistic people torture for the sheer pleasure of it.
That is only reason it exists.
To give some sick pleasure to saddist and their supporters.

Comment by Jim Stillman

November 7th 2007 21:25
Not only is “waterboarding” torture, prior to this administration there was no question that the United States considered it as such and, indeed, a “war crime”

During the Spanish-American War, a U.S. soldier, Major Edwin Glenn, was suspended from command for one month and fined $50 for using "the water cure." In his review, the Army judge advocate said the charges constituted "resort to torture with a view to extort a confession." He recommended disapproval because "the United States cannot afford to sanction the addition of torture."
In the Second World War, Germany is not believed to have employed waterboarding (although they were not loathe to utilize other barbaric methods) but the Japanese did.
In the war crimes tribunals that followed Japan's defeat in World War II, the issue of waterboarding was sometimes raised. In 1947, the U.S. charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for waterboarding a U.S. civilian. Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor.
There have been instances of U.S. forces using this practice. On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post ran a front-page photo of a U.S. soldier supervising the waterboarding of a captured North Vietnamese soldier. The caption said the technique induced "a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning meant to make him talk." The picture led to an Army investigation and, two months later, the court martial of the soldier.
Cases of waterboarding have occurred on U.S. soil, as well. In 1983, Texas Sheriff James Parker was charged, along with three of his deputies, for handcuffing prisoners to chairs, placing towels over their faces, and pouring water on the cloth until they gave what the officers considered to be confessions. The sheriff and his deputies were all convicted and sentenced to four years in prison.
The President says, we do not torture. But the evidence is otherwise.



Comment by Ahmed

November 8th 2007 09:53
Damo, while agree sadists will probably find the position of torturer more appealing I think the main reason it is being advocated in todays world is to make it look like the enemy are so evil that they are no longer human. By doing so any measure taken by the Bush administration (or any other war monger) can be justifiable since the enemy is heartless and deserves no justice in any sense.


Jim, theres no doubt that waterboarding has been torture since its creation. Anyone trying to put this in another category is simply defending the indefensible. When it comes down to it all those who advocate waterboarding in effect advocate torture. they also possibly hate their percieved enemies more so than they love their own liberties.

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