Do Iranians Feel For Americans? Yes. Does Israel? Nope
September 17th 2007 06:37
You might be wondering just which country in the Middle East would be holding a Candlelight Vigil on 9/11. One would think Israel, after the US invested 60 billion dollars in its military you would think it would remember its Allies suffering on that fateful day. But nope, nothing of the sort happened in Israel.
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Comment by Steve 3
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So do you always jump onto any news that seems to demonise Israel, or just news that pretties up Iran? Either way, I couldn't care what your agenda is, but it'd be in your best interest to take a closer look at your source before rubbing your hands together with giddy glee and regurgitating old news.
Comment by Ahmed
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Look at my jumpy posts I've made: Really Long Link
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If a small section of the community is severel thousand people then that must be one hell of a god damn community that makes 1000 a 'small' section.
Also the link you've provided, well it's about one man, not a whole 'small' section of a community. So I don't see how far it goes. I don't have anything against a single jew or the jews as a whole. Though I share a common belief with most Israelis that the Israeli government is not taking the right steps towards peace. Mostly because of the US government of course, doing everything it can to keep the region in as much turmoil as possible. YOu don't want a peaceful Israel if you want it to be allies.
Actually, lets go into what you say further:
So you're essentially implying the vast majority of Iranians are hell beant on trying to destroy the US.
uh-huh, lets look into that little outlandish implication you're making there: Really Long Link
Sooo, is 80% of Irans population a 'small' section of the community? No doubt the majority (i.e. the remaining 20%) want war with MAerica and want to 'wipe Israel off the map'
Comment by Steve 3
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The link I provided was almost as paper thin as yours was (but at least was current). It was not provided to disprove your point, it was provided as a parody-of-sorts of your useless link (i.e. the link I provided is equally as useless as yours, and nothing profound can be drawn from it).
I’m not too concerned with your “common belief” (albeit one based, again, on data at least 9 months old), but as stated, more concerned with the careless nature of your blog post – i.e. recycling nonsense news.
And no, I’m not implying that “the vast majority of Iranians are hell beant [sic] on trying to destroy the US”. I was pointing out your poor editorial choices in using a very dated source. But seeing as you wish to investigate implied meanings in texts, here is your original post again:
“You might be wondering just which country in the Middle East would be holding a Candlelight Vigil on 9/11. One would think Israel, after the US invested 60 billion dollars in its military you would think it would remember its Allies suffering on that fateful day. But nope, nothing of the sort happened in Israel.”
So, are you implying because some thousands of Iranians held candles in the air 6 years ago, that somehow Iran as a nation exhibits greater empathy to America than Israel as a nation does? Ludicrous!
Comment by Ahmed
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Furthermore if you care to look at the link I provided approximately 80% of the 65 mimllion people want normal relations with the US as opposed to the crap they have. What they did was reflective of their community whether you like it or not.
You'd be surprised at how much more pro-America Iranians are when compared to Israeli's and in a broader sense Jews as a whole.
I'd like your opinion (minus the emotion) on the whole matter. What is it you have against Iranians doing something where Israeli's don't?
Comment by Howard
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Obviously though, the whole confrontation against Iran is totally manipulated. When Cheney et al, heard that the IAEA had a new deal with Iran to monitor its nuclear facilities, they had Bush pull a shit-fit at the American Legion speech he made. Sounds like Hitler screaming about Polish aggression in 1939.
Comment by Steve 3
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You posted a story that was six years old, and implied that because Israelis didn’t hold candles in the air six years ago (I’m sure if you checked they would have done something similar) that they somehow less “remembered their Allies”.
You then try and support this in a later reply by saying, “You'd be surprised at how much more pro-America Iranians are when compared to Israeli's and in a broader sense Jews as a whole.” I would be surprised actually, but please provide some reliable sources and statistics; I’m not one for opinion and speculation.
My opinion, since you asked for it, is this Ahmed. Whether a bunch of people in Israel or Iran held candles in the air, whether a group of Israelis or Iranians decide to organise memorial services each year or whether they don’t, there will be segments of each community that are abhorred by 9/11 and segments of it that are either indifferent or even some that take comfort out of it. What I DON’T think though, and it appears you do unless you’d like to point out why you really made this blog entry, is that one can draw an inference from a photo or two, lifted from a dubious and dated source, that either Israelis or Iranians feel more or less pro or anti-American than one the other.
As I said simple: your photo and source prove nothing but that you exhibit poor editorial skills. That is my point, nothing more or nothing less. Now, I’d like your opinion (do you agree it is a poor source or not) without the emotion. Make it simple for me, I am a simple man.
Comment by Damo
You are on you own with this one.
You left a hole so big that a truck could drive through it.
Comment by Ahmed
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Steve, the story can be a hundred years old, theres a point to be made, and I made it.
I don't have any sources or statistics, just going from personal experience I find jews on the whole to be far more anti-america than Iranians. I don't see being anti-american/pro-american to be a good or bad thing, its just an observation.
For some reference (for your sake) you could look at this as an example: Really Long Link
Theres a lot of crap in the media about Iranians hating America, it's just ironic that they don't really (at least 80% really don't anyway) while Israel is always propogadted as an ally when in fact it is little more than a pawn the US uses for that part of the world.
Comment by Lilla
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I don't always agree with you (or Howard), but I take your point on this one...some of your links reveal it to be a little lop-sided, in view of many factors ...
Your post seems to amplify this point, even further. What better way to assure your place ring-side, at the end-of-time events, than by making the world leaders, believe you had to be there as a matter of destiny... very clever indeed, as every last word of it, just may be true after all?
Lilla ...
Comment by Ahmed
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I don't think ther eis any sort of Jewish conspiracy to take over the world though I do think there is a political campaign by US businesses and its government to basically control Israel and use it as a pawn which is why I also think Jews as a whole don't like the US.
The whole 'unwritten laws' is probably true, but it isnt because jews are in some sort of conspiracy, it's because the US government (under corporate control, as always) wants Israel to remian high on public opinion.
THey do the same for everything, Saddam used to be Americas best friend, the propoganda machine took care of public opinion then as it did more recently when turning him into a villain. When it comes down to it all it's just empty propoganda.
Comment by Damo
If you want to be provocative for the sake of being provacative and have nothing to back it up then you are a troll.
Steve 3 whoever he may be, has done you a big favour and you should be thankful that he pointed out all logical the holes that you left.
Whatever ironic point you were trying to make was left floating in a bigger pool of irony. Arguing that black is white does not help.
I would recommed that you go over what he said step by step and learn something about where you made your first mistake and work forward from there. Otherwise you will repeat this mistake and be confused with what you wish to oppose.
Cheers
Comment by Ahmed
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I've found that rational arguments don't go anywhere, not even openly satirist posts.
However that isn't to say this makes progress, but it increases traffic. Case in point, this has been the second highest rated post I've ever made on this blog yet has had the least bit of effort.
It's trolling no doubt, I'm not trying to deny that at all.
Comment by Damo
I apologize for wasting your time.
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Comment by Steve 3
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Still waiting on the above Ahmed... tell me, do you think your source is reliable, or are you happy to concede that you blog only to be provocative, certainly biased and possibly bigoted? Or would you say you try hard to exhibit some level of rationality, even-handedness and professional integrity? I’m not here to judge, just curious as to your agenda and intentions.
I think your hand is revealed. You say, “I don't have any sources or statistics, just going from personal experience I find jews [sic] on the whole to be far more anti-america [sic] than Iranians.” In essence, what you have done here is find a source that supports your generalised, baseless and, some would say racist, view? I think that is lame, but if it is purely to push a provocative and partisan agenda, then kudos. But it seems convenient to now claim you were just being provocative, especially from someone who calls themselves a centrist.
Comment by Ahmed
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Sadly, you seem to point out a critical mistake I make:
You're right, it's lame, I should have just said 'jews are annoyng bastards trying to take over the world', at least then it would have been more consistant with the rest of everything.